Comments on: You’ll Take Heat for “Putting Your Feet in The Sand” http://paulandtimothy.wordpress.com/2008/10/11/you-will-take-heat-for-putting-your-feet-in-the-sand/ working towards reform of pre-eldership ministry and training in the Church Fri, 06 Nov 2009 22:46:11 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: Bryce http://paulandtimothy.wordpress.com/2008/10/11/you-will-take-heat-for-putting-your-feet-in-the-sand/#comment-140 Bryce Sat, 11 Oct 2008 17:51:01 +0000 http://paulandtimothy.wordpress.com/?p=427#comment-140 My buddy and I were at a youth camp 2 years ago and one of the leaders started talking about "stretching ourselves as staff." He then proceeded to have us push closer and closer in toward the center of this circle so that we were really close to each other and actually touching each other, something that was completely uncomfortable and awkward. Is this really what we are commanded to do as Christians? Is that the type of ministry described in the New Testament? I agree Matt, it seems that the phrases, "get out of your comfort zone" or, "stretch yourself" are always meant in a relational, smiling, be nice, kind of Christian love. It does seem to be completely relational. Good points Matt and Dorian. My buddy and I were at a youth camp 2 years ago and one of the leaders started talking about “stretching ourselves as staff.” He then proceeded to have us push closer and closer in toward the center of this circle so that we were really close to each other and actually touching each other, something that was completely uncomfortable and awkward. Is this really what we are commanded to do as Christians? Is that the type of ministry described in the New Testament? I agree Matt, it seems that the phrases, “get out of your comfort zone” or, “stretch yourself” are always meant in a relational, smiling, be nice, kind of Christian love. It does seem to be completely relational. Good points Matt and Dorian.

]]> By: Matthew Cunningham http://paulandtimothy.wordpress.com/2008/10/11/you-will-take-heat-for-putting-your-feet-in-the-sand/#comment-139 Matthew Cunningham Sat, 11 Oct 2008 17:40:46 +0000 http://paulandtimothy.wordpress.com/?p=427#comment-139 Good point Dorian. To your point about Christians challenging each other to “get out of their comfort zones," I think what is generally meant is to be relational. As a former mega-church goer, the phrase was always used in the context of encouraging people to be part of the bagel team, or get into a small group, or join the worship team. This seems to stem from a post-modern ethos that often places importance in community over truth. I say this to point of that no one was being challenged to look to the text to Do Hard Things. Getting in relationship can be a hard thing for many, but God demands much much more of his creation. Good point Dorian. To your point about Christians challenging each other to “get out of their comfort zones,” I think what is generally meant is to be relational.

As a former mega-church goer, the phrase was always used in the context of encouraging people to be part of the bagel team, or get into a small group, or join the worship team. This seems to stem from a post-modern ethos that often places importance in community over truth.

I say this to point of that no one was being challenged to look to the text to Do Hard Things. Getting in relationship can be a hard thing for many, but God demands much much more of his creation.

]]> By: Dorian http://paulandtimothy.wordpress.com/2008/10/11/you-will-take-heat-for-putting-your-feet-in-the-sand/#comment-135 Dorian Sat, 11 Oct 2008 04:26:55 +0000 http://paulandtimothy.wordpress.com/?p=427#comment-135 It's kind of ironic that you here a lot of Christians these days decrying what they believe to be a "comfortable God." They love to challenge people to "get out of their comfort zones." But when you look closely at how some of these Christians react to the solid, hard edged, biblical truths of the Bible, you'll say that they really, really don't like hard truths. It’s kind of ironic that you here a lot of Christians these days decrying what they believe to be a “comfortable God.” They love to challenge people to “get out of their comfort zones.” But when you look closely at how some of these Christians react to the solid, hard edged, biblical truths of the Bible, you’ll say that they really, really don’t like hard truths.

]]>